Category: Mon Valley Miscellany || By jt3y
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I'm way behind in my understanding of CSS, which would help me in my day job, so I decided there was no time like the present to teach myself. (Some people say I have a fool for an instructor and a bigger fool for a student.) A book from Pogue Press' "Missing Manual" series is helping me greatly.
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Point, Counterpoint: Comments are still coming in on the Mo-Fo Excessway essay. Feel free to add yours. Mark Rauterkus, candidate for Pittsburgh city controller and city council, writes:
The talk of HEAVY RAIL as an alternative would be welcomed. The freight lines can often be diverted. We've got plenty of lines. We have a glut of lines. I think they can live in harmony. Other cities have trains. And the line from McKeesport didn't stop just at Station Square -- it went to Sewickley (years ago).
PA Turnpike makes new PA toll roads. Go figure. PAT (a bus company) isn't well suited for light rail either. Go figure. We can do better and think again about rail, the rails for human cargo, and freight elsewhere.
$3-some billion in tax money doesn't have a lot to do with the free market. You fight the tide by fighting the tide, otherwise you are just part of it.
The principle guiding my decisions on troop levels in Iraq is "return on success." The more successful we are, the more American troops can return home.
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Webmaster (URL) - September 15, 2007
“Here’s a Thought: What if the Mon-Fayette was re-routed from Large to McKeesport out to Monroeville, like the old Route 48 bypass was supposed to go, and avoided Hazelwood, Braddock, Turtle Creek, etc.? Is that crazy?”
No. It would be much less expensive than trying to ram another highway into Pittsburgh.
Also to only rail line in these parts that could be easily used for commuter rail is AV RR whose owner actually wants to do it.
Posted by doug at September 14, 2007 10:38 AM
Doug - September 15, 2007
The post says: “First, it’s easy to talk about “diverting” freight railroads in the abstract. Try selling that idea to CSX and Norfolk Southern and their stockholders.”
That is the POINT exactly. I want to TRY to sell the access for passenger rail to the railroads. None have tried.
I heard a rumor a while ago that at least one rail company TRIED to sell off a line to a public entity. The rail folks approached the city and county. They knocked on the door — and the elected officials, bozos that they are, didn’t even engage them in conversation.
Let’s TRY. That’s my point.
The divertion of freight to the abstract isn’t right. There is a glut of lines here. And, not much of what moves through here begins or ends here.
Even, for example, on the South Side — there is a right of way for rail. BUT, the existing freight line only uses ONE rail. There used to be multiple tracks. Plus, there is rail at the river’s edge and more rail at the edge of the hill, just 8 short blocks away.
The railways are not using all the rail capacity. There is a ton of existing capacity. Frail, of course. But, prudent and ripe for a fix up to passenger lines.
Posted by Mark Rauterkus at September 14, 2007 12:13 PM
Mark Rauterkus - September 15, 2007
With all due respect, Mark, I beg to differ. The FRA, DOT, Amtrak and various state and local transit agencies have been “trying” to sell their services to freight railroads for 30-plus years.
Freight railroads do not want passenger trains on their tracks or in their rights-of-way … period. It doesn’t matter if they’re on adjacent tracks.
Part of this is a reaction to the infamous Conrail crash at Chase, Md., in 1987, but mostly they just don’t want to schedule time-sensitive freight around Amtrak, SEPTA, Metro-North, etc.
Posted by Webmaster at September 14, 2007 01:09 PM
Webmaster - September 15, 2007
The only Mckeesport-Pittsburgh rail that would have a chance I think would be Mck to Oakland @ Panther hollow. Since the coke plant closed there isn’t much traffic on the line pass the split of the CSX mainline at Homestead. Oakland being a big employment center this might work well for McK. And it could always be extended to the route 8 corridor in the N. Hills. Take a look at it on Google Earth. Same with running the MoFay to the turnpike at Irwin.
Posted by doug at September 14, 2007 01:41 PM
doug - September 15, 2007
I can get behind the Mon-Fayette Express if planners were to adopt your idea of bypassing Hazelwood, Braddock, etc. The first thing I thought when I read your original post was “I can’t argue with him, but can’t we do this without destroying or damaging several communities and neighborhoods.”
Posted by Jonathan Potts at September 14, 2007 01:43 PM
Jonathan Potts - September 15, 2007
If you think it’s hard pitching a lease option to the railroads, how do you suppose the Turnpike is going to get their cooperation to build the Pittsburgh leg of the MFX? Try driving the proposed right-of-way sometime: an astounding percentage of it lies over railway. It’s much, much more feasible to think about adding passenger rail service on those lines than it is to think about building highway flyovers.
Consider, for example, what’s getting started with a G r e e n sburg commuter rail connection. There’s an annual pot of $50m set aside in Act 44 that’s all about commuter rail projects.
Posted by andrea at September 14, 2007 03:08 PM
andrea - September 15, 2007
“It’s much, much more feasible to think about adding passenger rail service on those lines than it is to think about building highway flyovers.”
But I think it should be a tandem project.
Run the MFX to Irwin(Turnpike-Turnpike) and use the former Baltimore&Ohio rail line to link McKeesport to Oakland and the N.Hills. McKeesport gets better highway access and a commuter rail link to pgh and the N.Hills.
As far as finding an operator for the commuter rail line, Amtrak provides this type of service in CA.
Posted by doug at September 14, 2007 05:02 PM
doug - September 15, 2007
In previous Almanac posts concerning the MFX, I’ve commented, rhetorically asking, “... is this the right project?”
Pedants Corner – http://mckeesport.dementia.org/blog/000616.html
I’ve also stated that without other significant reforms, “... the Mon/Fayette Expressway is simply an unaffordable idea from another time.”
Up The Expressway – http://mckeesport.dementia.org/blog/000812.html
I would certainly consider information that might change my mind — if I could find any. Meanwhile, the case against an expressway is solid. In Build the Mo-Fo Already, “Traveler” calls it the Mon Valley BYPASS. My neighbor, a veteran member of the local planning commission has said exactly the same thing. Andrea of Penn Future presents a strong argument, etc., and so on …
Those looking for an alternative should read the G r a t a Plan: Getting Around: Downsize and get on with Mon-Fayette expressway.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06155/695319-147.stm
It may be a better idea, but it’s not the answer.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, wages of working families in Northeast Ohio have plummeted. That area, with Cleveland as the hub, is crisscrossed with interstate highways. I-76, I-80, I-90, I-71, I-77 and connectors I-480 and I-271 make getting from here to there a breeze. Yet from 2000 to 2006 the region lost 45,500 manufacturing jobs. Ask them if highways are the key to economic development. If the MFX was finished tomorrow, could we compete for sustainable, living wage jobs with more p r o g r e s s i v e regions?
Where is the vision? We need multi-county planning, local government and education reform and an infrastructure that enables a 21st century economy in the region. The SPC’s Southwestern Pennsylvania Plan suggests that we should “adapt and change.” It calls for a multi-modal transportation structure with the “Vast majority of highway, bridge and transit funding dedicated to maintaining and u p g r a d i n g existing infrastructure” using “reasonably expected funding.”
Adapt and change — do you really believe the MFX is what we need?
Posted by Strisi at September 14, 2007 08:34 PM
Strisi - September 15, 2007
A modified MFX is what the hell hole of McK needs.
I rather go to I70 to I79 to the airport than 2 tunnels and a bridge. Get a clue!
Posted by doug at September 14, 2007 08:43 PM
doug - September 15, 2007
In regards to Chief Bailey, Lenny was an expert air cooled VW mechanic. He would appear at many east coast VW shows with his red trailer selling parts and passing out advice. The VW community is in mourning as well. http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3439784
Posted by Bill at September 14, 2007 09:08 PM
Bill - September 15, 2007
“A modified MFX is what the hell hole of Mck needs.
I’d rather go I70 to I79 to the airport than 2 tunnels and a bridge. Get a clue.”
I have plenty of clues and I’ll gladly share one with you. The solution to your dilemma is called the Southern Beltway. You want to fund the section from the existing MFX to I-79 in Cecil Township. It’s in stage 5 of PennDot’s 10 step project development process.
http://www.paturnpike.com/MonFaySB/79tomfexpress/map.htm
Posted by Strisi at September 15, 2007 12:41 AM
Strisi - September 15, 2007
Doug and Strisi … easy, fellas. We run a respectable bar here.
Webmaster (URL) - September 15, 2007
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