Category: default || By jt3y
I'm working on a couple of rally cries. Anyone want to help?
"Say it loud! I'm a yinzer and I'm proud!"
"Let your yinz flag fly free, jagoffs!"
"We're here! We're yinzers! Get used to it n'at!"
"If it says yinzer yinzer yinzer on the label label label, you will like it like it like it on the table table table!"
(That last one needs work.)
At the risk of unleashing an avalanche of angry email and comments (given the size of the Almanac's audience, it would be more like a "shovelful"), I'm going to stand up and embrace the "yinzer" label.
The world of online correspondence and essaying ("blogging," a word I despise, sounds like something you do after drinking 12 bottles of Stoney's) is insular enough as it is, so I don't like to write too much about things that are happening at other people's websites.
But Professor Mike Madison, proprietor of Pittsblog, got shellacked last week after he used the word "yinzer" in a headline about the Steelers. ('Scuse me ... the Stillers.)
Instantly, the great vengeance and furious anger of the Stiller Nation swooped down and smote (smited? smat?) Madison:
Mike, I guess I shouldn't expect you to know this, but many Pittsburghers consider "yinzer" to be a classist, offensive word. It's a pejorative word that makes "jagoff" seem tame in comparison.
I'd equate Yinzer with Hick, just with different colloquial attributes. Neither's nice, so I prefer 'Burgher.
I once met someone who was from Mt. Lebo, who upon hearing where I was from, said, "Oh you really are a yinzer". For what it's worth, I didn't take it as a compliment.
How does it make you feel that your most commented on post is regarding a regional term for rednecks?
For what it's worth, I've never heard anyone use the term "yinzer" in a complementary way.
I would like to point out how inflammatory it is to people from Pittsburgh to call them Yinzers. I feel as if this is similar to in communities of Compton or Bed-Stuy where if you drop the N word and are not one you get shot -- the same should be said in Pittsburgh with the Y word.
There are so many things wrong with "Shot-and-Beer Pittsburgh Froths at Mouth," a January 18 effort by Rocky Mountain News columnist Bill Johnson, that counting them all would require a calculator with the power of a nuclear reactor -- but one stands out above the rest. Johnson described driving past a dude wearing a dress and holding a sign reading "I BET AGAINST THE STEELERS," but it turns out that this scene, which starred Pittsburgh-area resident Mike Gerrity, took place before Johnson was even in town. He actually saw it on a television news broadcast, as the Rocky acknowledged in a February 3 correction. ...
Several of Johnson's online detractors considered this part of his narrative to be a straightforward fabrication, and it's tough to dispute their logic.
Johnson doesn't bother to try, at least not in this venue. He sent Westword an e-mail stating that he had "nothing to say" beyond comments already provided by Rocky editor/publisher/president John Temple. For his part, Temple believes that the correction was an "appropriate" way to address Johnson's actions, which he sees as "sloppy" rather than devious. "I take it very seriously," he said, "and Bill does, too."
Yep!
I ran across that debate, too. Too many of the responders were essentially arguing “it IS okay to call our inferiors yinzers” vs. “it’s NOT okay to call our inferiors yinzers because we want to pretend to our friends elsewhere that everyone here is a corporate tool, because we think that’s the way to be.” Hardly anybody was saying that yinzin’ is cool. So your commentary is welcome, after that!
I didn’t grow up in Pittsburgh, and when I moved here, I thought yinz/youns and the rest of the dialect was one of the best things about Pittsburgh. Those who grew up speaking it authentically should be as proud as the D.A.R., and should call everybody else poseurs. (Hey, maybe those corporate guys are just jealous.)
A regional accent gives a place distinction. It’s something unique and cool. But you said it best.
A side note, dialects are not just “bad grammar” as some people might say. Linguists have studied Pittsburgh English, and it has logical patterns like any dialect or language. I’ve also read in places that yinz comes from youns which came from Scotch-Irish dialect. And the Scotch-Irish Presbyterians became Pittsburgh’s upper crust! If that’s true, then even snobs should be able to embrace “yinz.”
Julie M - February 16, 2006
Trust me, yinzer and the N-word are on different planes.
I guess what it is is that people from Pittsburgh feel like people from outside the region are judging them. While the thinking on this may or may not be based in reality, the admonishment factor for not being Columbus or Denver is apparent.
Personally, I’ve been to Columbus and other bland middle-market American metropolises and have nothing distinctive to take away from there. I appreciate a little more flavor, and Pittsburgh offers it in spades.
Those most offended by the term yinzer are the ones that are the most sensitive about what the outside world thinks. On the other hand, a lot of the “yinzer pride” bandwagon is occupied by people just as sensitive, but they are willing to put up their regional heritage as a badge of honor. Kind of like redneck clture in the South. In a way, Pittsburgh’s struggle is a lot like that of Atlanta or Charleston: how to balance the need to lbe both “normal” and “distinctive.”
Steven Swain - February 16, 2006
There were a couple of steelers fans at my work (Seattle) prior to the game. I offered: “okay, Stillers: what’ll it be?”
they grinned ear to ear.
yinzer pride or parody is like lawyer/feminist/black/southern/jewish/white supremacist (scratch that) pride or parody. it’s all in who is doing the delivering.
Seattle went through a wicked growing-pain phase in the ’90’s, whereupon one columnist at the Times was expressly charged to describe all things (traditionally) Seattle, while another’s passion, apparently for the previous 20 years or so, was to advocate the concept of a ‘lesser Seattle’. This was designed to soften the blow, for the so-called natives, of the crazy cultural, economic and physical growth that was plagueing the area during the ’80’s and ’90’s.
Now Detroit wants to pretend it’s us? Khhpppfffmmmpth! Of all the on-line searching I’ve done about towns to move to, Detroit is the least cost-beneficial or culturally favored. It has amazing architecture, the Detroit Free Press and 20th C. pop-cultural history. And no economy.
Add to this that, given that it is considered opinion of many that the super-bowl ref’s ‘jobbed’ the Seahawks because this was considered a Steeler’s home game, why is some commentator attempting to ‘Seattle-up’ Detroit?
The mind realeth. I really agree with everything that you have said here, especially the part about urban erosion take place care of arcane tax laws and inflated bureaucracies. Unfortunately, the vast majority of historically-significant rust-belt towns suffer from similar infrastructural dynamics. Believe me: I’ve checked.
Unfortunately, the solution to Pittsburgh’s probs will ultimately take place in the form of money, the attendant loss of cultural identity and the continued erosion of your natural wonders. So hang on to the ‘local shame’ while its charms still compel….
~been there, seen that
heather - February 17, 2006
How about just: Say It Loud! Yinzer ‘n’ Prahd! (Last word pronounced like “Goin’dahntahn ta buy a pahn a grahnrahn.”)
pruner - February 20, 2006
Exactly! What the heck is going on with PIT and litter? Reader’s Digest last summer “awarded” PIT 3rd most dirty city. Search on Keep America Beautiful by state, there is a PA KAB org, and PHI KAB org, but no PIT org. Now there is something da Mayor can actually do something about.
Where’s Giuliani when you need him?
50 cleanest and dirtiest cities.
http://www.rd.com/content/openContent.do?contentId=15115
Keep America Beautiful Participating Organizations
http://www.kab.org/Participate.asp?id=252&rid=253
Amos the Poker Cat (URL) - February 22, 2006
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